If The Holy Ghost is a 3rd person in a Trinity, what is his name?
The Father's name is Jesus. "Jesus" was originally written as the Father's name in the Old Testament. Click here for proof.
The Son's name is Jesus.
What's The Holy Ghost's name? Jesus! According to John 14, The Holy Ghost is Jesus returning to dwell inside of us.
If The Father and the Son are two different persons and The Holy Ghost is a 3rd person, What position does The Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit hold in this family unit?
Father, Son, __________?
Many people claim that the word "God" in the Old Testament was the word "Elohim" and they claim that Elohim means more than one. However, first of all, Elohim can be used as either singular or plural. It is used both ways in scripture and that cannot be denied. "Elohim" can also mean “plural of majesty”, “plural of excellence” and “plural of attributes”. It does not have to be "plural of persons or beings". And again, can also be used only as singular. Second, "Elohim" is not Hebrew, but Assyrian Aramaic and was written in the Assyrian, Babylonian Targum translation, not the original scriptures! The KJV and Strong's Concordance points to the very corrupted Babylonian, Assyrian translation of scripture. (Click here for Proof)
In both the more reliable Greek Septuagint Old Testament and the Greek New Testament, the word "God" was "Theos" which is singular and means "The Supreme Spirit" or "The Alpha & Omega" and cannot imply a Trinity. Theoi is the plural word they would have used, but did not. We see a singular God in true Hebrew, English and Greek in Genesis 1:1 and throughout all of scripture. There is nothing in the Syrian, Aramaic, Hebrew or Greek that teaches a tribune god or 3 heads or 3 beings or 3 persons. It only teaches One God who is One being, One person, One spirit who manifests Himself in many more than 3 ways.
Why did the Apostle Paul always leave out The Holy Ghost when referring to both of the roles/manifestations of The Father and Christ Jesus?
Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Paul mentions the Father and he mentions Jesus Christ! But he does not mention The Holy Ghost? Why? Because it's not a third!
Ephesians 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Ephesians 6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;
2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
Philippians 1:2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Did you read the above scriptures in your personal paperback/hardback bible today or just only on this website?
If only online, I encourage you to please open your bible and read these verses both on our website and in your bible. There is power in reading the real bible. Also, did you pray before beginning to read about this specific subject today? If not, I encourage you to take the time now to pray for understanding of truth.
Why is it that every time Ezekiel and John see the Throne of God, they never mention seeing The Holy Ghost? Or a third throne? Where is The Holy Ghost seated? Beside Jesus?
You may bring up 1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
However, according to the Scofield Commentary and many other experienced, well-qualified sources, "It is generally agreed that (1Jo_5:7) has no real authority, and has been inserted."
It is documented fact that the original Greek writings did not say what it says today in the King James!
"The Epistle of St John" by Brooke Foss Westcott (1892) Page 202 says:
“…THE WORDS ARE NOT FOUND:
(1) In any independent Greek MS (more than 180 MSS and 50 Lectionaries are quoted). Both the late MS which contain it have unquestionably been modified by the Latin Vulgate.
(2) In any independent Greek writer. The very few Greek writers who make use of the words derived their knowledge of them from the Latin (not in Ir Cl.Al Orig Did Athan Bas Greg. Naz Cyr.Al).
(3) In any Latin Father earlier than Victor Vitensis or Vigilius Tapsensis (not in Tert Cypr Hil Ambr Hier Aug Leo).
(4) Not in any ancient version except the Latin; and it was not found in the Old Latin in its early form (Tert Cypr Aug), or (b) in the Vulgate as issued by Jerome (Codd. Am fuld or (c) as revised by Alcuin (Cod. Vallicell).”
This scripture was added into the bible by men who held the trinity doctrine and wanted to influence peoples thinking in that direction. The original writings said: "6. This is he that came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness because the Spirit is truth. 7. For there are three that bear witness, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree in one. 9. If we receive the witness of man, the witness of God is greater."
Even if you believe that the 1611-1887 King James translation is 100% accurate, it doesn't say that there are three god heads. It says, these three are one. As a male, I can be a father and a son and a soul/spirit within my one flesh. I can be all three, a father, son & soul without being three persons/heads/beings. So much more, The Creator is a singular Spirit that fills the entire universe & is the ultimate Father of all, yet He is also the son of man, yet also the Son of The Holy Spirit (The Greater Measure of His Spirit that did not enter Mary) and He is The Holy Ghost of the One who was crucified, resurrected & gloried.
You might try to claim that God would never allow anyone to remove or add to the bible, that the bible is 100% correct with no errors. However the bible says differently! Notice:
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
In other words, God gave a curse against anyone who would add to or remove from the bible. If God would not allow man to do so, then why would He warn of this? It's clear that He knew men would do so.
What about Matt. 28:19?
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
First of all, that verse has been corrupted. The Catholic church added to that scripture.
A famous man by the name of Eusebius of Caesarea lived between 260-339 A.D. He is well respected as being an "early church father". He was able to see and read the early bible manuscripts older than the Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus.
Between 311-313 A.D., in his writing "Ecclesiastical History" (or Church History), Book 3, Chapter 5, he wrote the following:
"...but the rest of the apostles, who had been incessantly plotted against with a view to their destruction, and had been driven out of the land of Judea, went unto all nations to preach the gospel, relying upon the power of Christ, who had said to them, 'Go ye, and make disciples of all nations in my name.'"
In 325 A.D., Eusebius wrote in his "Commentary on Isaiah" (Isa 18:2):
"...this command seems to be given to the disciples of our Saviour. Since they are messengers of good tidings, they are called messengers, and light ones, to distinguish them from the apostles of the Jews. Wherefore the prophet addresses these messengers of good tidings thus: you disciples of Christ, go as the Saviour himself has commanded you: 'Go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel', and 'Going make disciples of all nations in my name'."
Also in the same manuscript on Isa 34:16, he wrote:
"...for he who said to them, 'make disciples of all nations in my name' also forbade them to establish churches in one and the same place."
One historian who read all the works of Eusebius, published the following statistic regarding how many times Eusebius quoted Matthew 28:19 in his writings: 17 times he renders Matt 28:19 as "in my name" not the Trinitarian formula!
Source 1. Source 2. Source 3.
However, even if you don't believe that Matthew 28:19 was corrupted:
Notice what this verse does not say: "baptizing them in the nameS". We are not to baptize in 3 names! There is one God, with one Name/Authority. The One God manifests Himself as our Father, as the Son of Man and as The Holy Spirit. It is not telling us that God is 3 beings or 3 persons. It's telling us to baptize in His Name (which Acts tells us that there is only one name by which man may be saved by and by His Authority. Every time in the bible that the disciples baptized, the only pronunciation/wording/phrase that they used was "Jesus". They never said "I baptize you in the Names of the Father and of Jesus and of the Holy Ghost". Search the scriptures and see! Why then does it say "Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost"? Because it is telling us to baptize in the Name/Authority of The Father, His Son (Jesus) and of Him Crucified and Resurrected (Ghost). His Spirit/Ghost is not a third person, it's His Ghost. His Ghost is still Him, it's not another person. It's Him.
1 Cor.12:13 "For by one spirit (not 3) are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one spirit".
John 14:16 "another comforter": Does not mean another God! There is only one God! Nor does it mean another person. But the word "God" is singular plural, meaning one entity with more than one member. There is only one God but Jesus and the Father are both God, both are parts/manifestations of God. Not Jesus only! The Father and Jesus are One in that they are both part of that one God. He did not send a third god. He sent another manifestation of Himself, that is that He sent The Holy Spirit to dwell within man, thus The Holy Ghost inhabiting the vessel of man. You can say that The Holy Ghost is another manifestation of the same one God, but you can't say that it's a third, because He also had already manifested himself in King Melchizedek, the fire in the burning bush, The Angel of the LORD many, many times, etc. Yet all these are manifestations of the One Eternal God.
:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter (another manifestation of comfort, see verse 21, not another person), that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth (Who is the Spirit of Truth? Notice verse 6! Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth"!) whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. (Who will come? Who is the Comforter? I will come to you!)
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. (Why did Jesus not say "the Father in you, I in you and the Holy Spirit in you"? There are only 3 people in this verse, the Father, Jesus and you!)
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of My Father and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him. (How? by His Spirit) (How many manifestations are in this verse? The Father and Jesus! Who is the Helper that will be manifested? Jesus is! He said that he would manifest himself!)
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
The Holy Ghost could not be sent until the Son, Jesus, returned to the Father in Heaven. In other words, The Holy Ghost could not be sent until after Jesus died, resurrected and ascended back into Heaven so that He could return as His very own Ghost within the hearts and souls of humans. Jesus living inside of us is called The Holy Ghost. He has always been the Word of God. In the beginning there was the Word and the Word was God and came to dwell among men. The Holy Ghost/the Living Word teaches us and reminds us of what He/Jesus said! Jesus and The Holy Ghost are one and the same person! The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God when it is outside of us and it's translated as The Holy Ghost when He is dealing with mankind. In Acts, they spoke with other tongues (in The Holy Ghost) as His Spirit gave utterance. In Greek, the words "spirit" and "ghost" is the same word but the English translators translated it as "Holy Ghost" when The Holy Spirit is working in the vessels of mankind to show the Power of God abiding in man. To understand more about about this, please see my What is the Holy Ghost article.
Accusation: 3 people at Jesus' baptism:
Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Answer: The Spirit of God is the Spirit of God. It's not a 3rd person. There is no way that this scripture can be used to prove a trinity. I am not saying there is not a Holy Spirit. He clearly does exist! But He is not a third person, He is Jesus and the Father.
Accusation: 2 Cor. 13:14 shows 3 people;
Answer: 2 Corinthians 13:14 (KJV) The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
God is everywhere. He is huge. He is on every planet and every moon and every star and every solar system. He is one Spirit which fills the universe. As I am one person but I have two arms and two feet and ten toes but I am still just one person. My brain talks to and communicates with my arms, toes and feet. But my arms, legs, feet, & toes are not separate people. Jesus is the manifestation of God which walked on Earth and went back to Heaven. The Father is the larger manifestation of God that stayed in Heaven while Jesus walked on Earth. My head is in the sky but my feet are on the ground. But I am still one person. God is still one being but with many manifestations. The Holy Ghost is Him manifesting Himself within us but it's still that one same God, not a different being. This verse shows some of the different ways God manifests Himself. It does not show 3 people. If there are 3 people as one God, then we could also easily worship thousands of gods. There is only one God and He is one Spirit as the bible tells us. If he one Spirit, He is one Soul = one Person.
God is One:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
We do not find any thing about a trinity in God in this very clear Biblical description of God.
Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1 Corinthians 12
:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the LORD, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit (not plural) is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as He will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. (One body, not 3. One head, one God head, Christ is the Head of the Church. He is not a 3-headed monster.)
13 For by one Spirit (not 3) are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
James 2:19 (KJV) Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
This verse is corrupted in the Masoretic manuscripts. When viewed in the Alexandrian manuscripts, it reads "You believe that God is one".
John 1:1-3 In the beginning was The Word. And The Word was with God (My voice is with myself, but I am still one person. This Jesus was the voice/breath of God. It is He who spoke everything into creation and breathed life into mankind.) and the Word was God. (Not a separate person). All things came into being through Him. And apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
Revelation 1:8 I am the Alpha and The Omega says the LORD God who is and who was and who is to come, The Almighty. (That is Jesus speaking!) Rev.21:7 He who overcomes will inherit these things and I will be his God and he will be My son.
Also read Hebrews 12:5-11. Notice the word the LORD. There is only one LORD. This speaks of Jesus. Notice the repeated use of the words sons which refers to us. If we are the sons, He is our Father. He created us. Who created us? The scriptures says that Jesus created all things.
Isaiah 9:6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us, and The Government will rest on His Shoulders and His Name will be called Wonderful Counselor Mighty God Eternal Father Prince of Peace.
John 14:8-9 Philip said to Him, LORD Show us The Father and it is enough for us. Jesus said to him, have I been so long with you and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen The Father...
So in conclusion, it's very clear in scripture that we serve One God and Lord, His Name is Jesus. He is The Father and The Son. He is The Holy Spirit. He is The Holy Ghost. He is the King of kings. Is there a king greater than Him? No. So why do the scriptures also describe Him talking to and interacting with The Father as if The Father were another being? Because God put a part of Himself into Mary. That part became known as God with us (Jesus). The larger measure of Himself that stayed in Heaven is known as The Father. The smaller part of Himself that became flesh remained loyal and submissive to The Larger Measure of His Spirit, plan and purpose. That smaller part of Himself still remains submissive to The Father. But once all things are fulfilled (devil destroyed, angels judged, wicked perished, righteous rewarded, new Heaven new Earth) He will be whole again and will not be submissive to anyone. I now share with you a mystery that you have never heard before yet is revealed in scripture. When everything is completed, Jesus will subject Himself unto His larger measure of His Spirit and they will no longer be two manifestations.
1 Cor.15:20-28. Last words of verse 28 all in
all. Means to be made one again or made whole. Am I saying that Christ will cease to exist? No. But He will merge back to being His Word. He will manifest Himself as one. He shall be our God and we shall be His People. We won't be serving two or three beings. Only One. so currently we can say "Jesus and The Father" and we say "Jesus is The Father". Both are true statements. But these two manifestations are one and the same Spirit/deity which shall again become one manifestation.
He came to reconcile the world unto Himself. But He could only do so by becoming a servant to us in the flesh. He gave part of Himself to save His own children. Jesus is the express image of The Father. It's like looking in a mirror. We see the image of The Father. But He is not just a reflection. He is a manifestation or part of Himself. Long enough to accomplish all things and make all things complete. It's amazing and beautiful. Even more beautiful than believing He is one manifestation. But these two manifestations are the same being using both mind and body to get the job done.
2 Cor.5:18-19 notice the words repeated "to himself" via Christ which is Himself come in the flesh.
Check out John 2:19-21 who raised Christ from the dead. He did. Yet other verses in the bible says God did. The Holy Spirit did.
John 10:18 confirms Jesus raised Himself from the grave by commandment of The Father, the larger measure of Himself which had stayed in Heaven while his flesh body walked on Earth.
Col. 1:13-20 Notice to Himself. Through Him means through His own flesh. We can only be saved by the blood of God in the flesh. The blood of a man could not do it because all men were born with a sinful nature. Christ (God in the flesh) had to die for us.
Also, if God is 3 beings/persons, the Father and the Son would both be marrying the same bride! That's sick! And that's forbidden in scripture!
Lev. 18:8 The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness. :15 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
These above verses really have nothing to do with nudity. They do not forbid bathing the sick and elderly who are related to you. But rather, "uncover nakedness" means "have sex with". It is a sin for the father and son to have sex with the same woman. If God is a trinity, both the son and Father would be marrying the same woman/bride in violation of scripture.
Of course we realize that in the marriage supper, the bride won't have physical sex with the groom, but still yet, the symbolism would still be there via marriage.
Matthew 6:24 "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other."
"There is not any reasoning which can convince me, contrary to my Senses, that Three, is one, and one three."
- Abigail Smith Adams to John Quincy Adams, 5 May 1816
"It [the doctrine of the Trinity] is no where expressly declared by any of the earliest fathers, & was never affirmed or taught by the church before the council of Nice."
- from Thomas Jefferson's Notes on Heresy, October 11 - December 9, 1776
"These metaphysical heads, usurping the judgment seat of god, denounce as his enemies all who cannot percieve the Geometrical logic of Euclid, in the demonstrations of St Athanasius, that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three, nor the three one."
- Thomas Jefferson to William Canby, 18 September 1813
"Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus."
- Thomas Jefferson to Francis Adrian Van der Kemp, 30 July 1816
"When we shall have done away the incomprehensible jargon of the Trinitarian arithmetic, that three are one, and one is three [...] we shall then be truly and worthily His disciples."
- Thomas Jefferson, February 27, 1821, in a letter to Timothy Pickering
The Assyrian origins of Christmas, Assyrian origins of Easter, Assyrian origins of the Trinity doctrine, Assyrian origins of the so-called star of David, Assyrian origins of the yah names all point toward the Assyrian son of perdition and the Assyrian invasion of the nations.
The trinity doctrine originates in pagan cultures such as the Assyrians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Mayans, and Hindus. Many times, it was represented by a triangle or by an eye inside a triangle.
Study this well-researched and well-documented article at heraldmag.org I do not endorse their entire website, but rather only this specific article.
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